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Old 2010-04-15, 03:53 PM   #41
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Old 2010-04-15, 05:31 PM   #42
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I think the group at the bottom can live or escape even if I tenuki so for now that's what I'll do. Hopefully that's not a mistake but trying to make it live now will just result in getting sealed in and strengthening his position on the outside; I don't want that to happen.
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Old 2010-04-15, 06:27 PM   #43
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In my opinion I feel like a tenuki is a bad move. The white group is next to some black thickness and there aren't any "backup" stones for white. If anything I would slide to E2 like he planned or make a little better shape with something like L2. But Im not much ,if any, stronger than these two.

Just my opinion. Tell me if there's anything wrong with my logic.
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Old 2010-04-15, 09:18 PM   #44
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im surprised that he tenukied, but i cant really let him get this shimari now.
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Old 2010-04-16, 01:03 AM   #45
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Old 2010-04-16, 01:27 AM   #46
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Both players are playing big moves.

Unfortunately, there are urgent moves to be played at the bottom, and urgent moves > big moves.

Also, the textbook approach to W's D17+K16+O17 formation on top is C14. The reasoning is that a high approach such as D15 will be under heavy pressure from a pincer such as D13 due to support from K16.
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Old 2010-04-16, 01:55 AM   #47
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Both players are playing big moves.

Unfortunately, there are urgent moves to be played at the bottom, and urgent moves > big moves.

Also, the textbook approach to W's D17+K16+O17 formation on top is C14. The reasoning is that a high approach such as D15 will be under heavy pressure from a pincer such as D13 due to support from K16.
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Isn't D12 the standard pincer here? Also, I was also very surprised that when W tenukied, he didn't think about the double approach on top right. Both players seem to have forgotten that O17 was never responded to.
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Old 2010-04-16, 02:16 AM   #48
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Isn't D12 the standard pincer here? Also, I was also very surprised that when W tenukied, he didn't think about the double approach on top right. Both players seem to have forgotten that O17 was never responded to.
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Both D12 and D13 are fine and I have seen both brought up as suggestions in textbooks. I just have a slight preference for D13 because...

1) It's a less familiar pincer for some.
2) It's tighter and feels more severe (whether it really is is debatable).
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Old 2010-04-16, 08:38 AM   #49
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I think the group at the bottom can live or escape even if I tenuki so for now that's what I'll do. Hopefully that's not a mistake but trying to make it live now will just result in getting sealed in and strengthening his position on the outside; I don't want that to happen.
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For lower ranked players not familiar with the aforementioned white formation, see the Sensei's Library page on the Kobayashi Fuseki.
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